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Bat/Throw: R/R
Height/Weight: 6’5” 230 lbs
Acquired: 13th Rd ’08 (Illinois)
Born: 8/3/86, Gurnee, IL
Why Ranked Here: The big right-hander had an excellent debut first in Brooklyn and then in Hawaii. Shaw’s fastball, which he commands well, lived in the upper 80s with a few 90s sprinkled in for good measure. From a righty, this is below average. Shaw worked off a curve and a changeup, which at 81-84 did not have a huge separation from his fastball.
2008: Shaw finished fourth in the NYP in strikeouts and sixth in WHIP (1.09). Shaw finished up his season in the final Hawaii Winter Baseball stanza where he was fourth in the league in innings pitched and fifth in strikeouts.
Dr. Pangloss Says: Shaw throws enough strikes to get a look as a starter or middle reliever.
On the Flipside: The lack of an average MLB fastball could short-circuit Shaw’s big league chances.
Projected 2009 Start: St. Lucie
Scott Shaw
| W-L | ERA | G/GS | IP | H | R | ER | HR | BB | SO | K/BB | BB/9 | SO/9 | |
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| SSA-BRO | 6-3 | 2.80 | 15/14 | 74 | 66 | 24 | 23 | 4 | 15 | 79 | 5.27 | 1.82 | 9.61 |
| HWB-HON | 2-1 | 2.51 | 8/7 | 32.1 | 12 | 13 | 9 | 1 | 9 | 35 | 3.89 | 2.52 | 9.81 |
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I saw Shaw pitch at Brooklyn this year and I was not impressed at all. Average or below average stuff across the board, but more alarming was the fact that his control was lacking, there was not much velocity or location differentials in his pitches so they all look the same, and his mound presence was not great (seemed to get flustered when struggling).
Some of this can be overcome with experience, but the lack of major league stuff makes me think he’s an org arm or a middle reliever.
mustsee, I’m surprised to hear that considering his stats. Based on the numbers I would have thought that he’s another starter in the Owen/Gee/Stoner mold – i.e. a RIghty who hovers just at or below 90 who succeeds with polish and consistency. How does Shaw compare to those guys?
Not sure what Toby or Chrisopher might say, but, in my opinion, Gee is the better all-around pitcher of the bunch and with Owen having better control.
I’d have to rank them: Gee, Owen, Stoner and Shaw.
The thing with the NY-Penn League is that a pitcher with a good fastball and nothing else (i.e., Holt) or a average stuff, but good control (i.e., Shaw) can do well in that league as the pitchers are more advanced than the hitters.
I know it seems I’m contradicting myself on Shaw, but the two times I saw him he didn’t impress me at all, so my thoughts are based more on what I saw.
Did catch Holt throw and turned to the guy next to me and said, “This is why I’m not a scout. I would have drafted Chris Friedriich and would look like an idiot now.” Would like to see how Holt’s secondary pitches develop. That fastball is impressive though.
There’s now more divergence among the Gee, Stoner, Owen trio than most fans realize.
In fact, I have them ranked Gee, Stoner, Shaw and then Owen.
Wait. Did I miss Owen’s profile? Or did he not even make the top 41?
Nope. I dropped him just outside the top 41
Interesting that Owen doesn’t even make the 41…. What I also find interesting is diverse the opinions on Shaw could be — somebody looking purely at stats is enamored with what he has accomplished, decent K rates, not a whole lot of walks, very impressive ERA, low WHIP, etc. although I all keep hearing (having not seen him myself) is his stuff, his stuff, etc.
Kind of does remind me of what we were saying about Gee not too long ago (and Owen and Stoner for that matter). I guess if one of those four pan out to be a solid starter, that would be a nice return.
I’ll say this… I’m a big fan of Dillon Gee. He’s really opened some eyes over the last year or so by his own hard work. So far in his professional career, he’s done nothing but pitch solid baseball.
He looked very impressive when he got promoted to the the B-Mets at the end of last and has followed that up with a phenomenal winter. He doesn’t turn heads cause he’s not 6′7 and doesn’t throw 95, but he has excellent control and has shown me he knows how to pitch.
I’m really looking forward to that very first series in April when the B-Mets come to Trenton.
No argument here — I’m just saying that a year ago, folks were saying the same thing about Gee (more or less) that they are now saying about Shaw, which makes that type of prospect (not too hard of a thrower, but throws strikes — i.e. Gee, Shaw, Stoner, Owen) more of a point of departure for very divergent views on value.
Obvioulsy not everyone turns into Jamie Moyer (granted an extreme and a lefty), but plenty of them go on to have productive careers
Is it reasonable to assume that Shaw, at his size, may pick up 3-4 MPH on his fastball as he matures, giving hm a MLB fastball that’s at least average?
BTW, great job on the blog. It’s a daily read for me.
Shaw is already in his 20s, so any velocity he may pick up will be due more to him smoothing out his mechanics than suddenly developing added velocity from a physical standpoint. At this point, his stuff is pretty much what it’s going to be. What Shaw needs to do to have a better chance at the Show is to improve on his control (throw strikes) and learn how to change speed and location more. All his pitches look the same. If he’s throwing 88 mph, then he needs to be able to mix in some pitches at 75 mph, 80 mph. This throws the hitters timing off.
Not a good assumption. Kids – those drafted from HS or signed as very young international free agents – will have a chance to put on velocity as they mature physically AND refine their mechanics.
On the other hand, a guy like Shaw, who will be 22 on Opening Day 2009 is much more physically developed and less likely to add velocity in the coming years. Increases in velocity do sometimes happen, either through better mechanics or better professional programs, but you can’t count on it for college draftees.
Shaw has reliever in his future written all over it. He gets batters to get outs.
But his lack of ability to touch 90 with his fastball will make him a set-up man.
Great kid with some good stuff.
Obviously with the ability of him getting outs he’s out thinking the batter as his 84 MPH FB isn’t going to hold water as a RHP against MLB competition.