Comments on: Davis #13 on BA EL Top 20 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/ The Premier Blog about the Mets Minor League System Fri, 12 Mar 2010 20:24:09 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: NickM http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6126 NickM Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:54:14 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6126 In other news, the AFL starts up today, and 3 Mets are in the lineup: Davis (1B), Duda (CF), Tejada (SS) http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_10_13_surwin_perwin_1 They have a Gameday up but its probably like the MiLB where they have no pitch f/x In other news, the AFL starts up today, and 3 Mets are in the lineup: Davis (1B), Duda (CF), Tejada (SS)

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_10_13_surwin_perwin_1

They have a Gameday up but its probably like the MiLB where they have no pitch f/x

]]> By: big baby http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6124 big baby Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:59:08 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6124 "What we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence." “What we cannot speak of we must pass over in silence.”

]]> By: big baby http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6123 big baby Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:58:24 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6123 uhhh, i didn't say make him an outfielder. i said, have him play the outfielder so he can be jerry hairston jr. if thinking ruben can be a useful utility player who can play MIF and OF positions means i'm massively overrating him, then...sure. he was 19 in AA. i think there's room for growth in both his OBP and his power. shortstops who have worse than a 750 OPS: stephen drew, alexei ramirez, rafael furcal, jroll, theriot, guzman, peralta, andrus. and yes, ruben is my baby uhhh, i didn’t say make him an outfielder. i said, have him play the outfielder so he can be jerry hairston jr. if thinking ruben can be a useful utility player who can play MIF and OF positions means i’m massively overrating him, then…sure.

he was 19 in AA. i think there’s room for growth in both his OBP and his power.

shortstops who have worse than a 750 OPS: stephen drew, alexei ramirez, rafael furcal, jroll, theriot, guzman, peralta, andrus.

and yes, ruben is my baby

]]> By: garik16 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6122 garik16 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:48:10 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6122 Methinks you're over optimistic on our prospects. Particularly Tejada imo (Your Baby? rofl). Just not enough power there and he's not a high enough OBP guy to compensate for that. And taking him away from the middle infield (where no-power is not terrible) to OF (where it IS not a good idea) is well....bad. Ruins all his value. But if he proves me wrong and you right, hey, i'll gladly eat my words. Methinks you’re over optimistic on our prospects.

Particularly Tejada imo (Your Baby? rofl). Just not enough power there and he’s not a high enough OBP guy to compensate for that. And taking him away from the middle infield (where no-power is not terrible) to OF (where it IS not a good idea) is well….bad. Ruins all his value.

But if he proves me wrong and you right, hey, i’ll gladly eat my words.

]]> By: MrMustSeeTv http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6121 MrMustSeeTv Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:58:00 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6121 The comparison to Phil Humber is pretty weak. Coming out of college Humber had two plus pitches - a fastball in the 92-94 mph range with good movement and a power curve which was his money pitch. Holt has never been accused of having a plus breaking pitch. Also, the fact that Humber lost velocity is not a sign of his "should have been" prospect status. Humber's elbow basically exploded. He needed TJ surgery and was never the same. When he came back he fastball was slower and lacked the movement he was had and he was never able to regain his curve. I remember reading an article when he was traded that implied that he was scared to throw the curve because he felt that is what blew out his elbow. Holt on the other hand is a thrower not a pitcher. I still think he'll end up a reliever but the comparison to Humber is weak. Holt is what Parnell is. A fastball pitcher with no much else that can be an asset in the pen eventually. The comparison to Phil Humber is pretty weak. Coming out of college Humber had two plus pitches – a fastball in the 92-94 mph range with good movement and a power curve which was his money pitch. Holt has never been accused of having a plus breaking pitch.

Also, the fact that Humber lost velocity is not a sign of his “should have been” prospect status. Humber’s elbow basically exploded. He needed TJ surgery and was never the same. When he came back he fastball was slower and lacked the movement he was had and he was never able to regain his curve. I remember reading an article when he was traded that implied that he was scared to throw the curve because he felt that is what blew out his elbow. Holt on the other hand is a thrower not a pitcher. I still think he’ll end up a reliever but the comparison to Humber is weak.

Holt is what Parnell is. A fastball pitcher with no much else that can be an asset in the pen eventually.

]]> By: big baby http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/comment-page-1/#comment-6120 big baby Tue, 13 Oct 2009 14:51:18 +0000 http://www.metsminorleagueblog.com/2009/10/13/davis-13-on-ba-el-top-20/#comment-6120 phil humber is the only pitcher with a big fastball who couldn't command his curveball? really? i don't understand that at all, especially because humber's arm melted. but yea, the first pitcher you think of when you hear a guy has trouble "owning" a curveball enough to control/command it is "phil humber?" bullshit. as for thole, "scouts have been wrong before." yea. do they know what the average catcher in mlb baseball hits? a .700 OPS was about average last year (350 PA). a .350 OBP would be 7th best. ditto this year. if thole can hit .300/.350/.350, which is selling his ability a little short (career minor league: .292/.381/.377), that will be better than several catchers. and while his defense is clearly a work in progress, he's had to have made serious strides to be somewhat competent in 2 years. he'll never be a star, but there are a ton of mediocre catchers in baseball... and he can be one of them. and as for my baby tejada, he'll show everyone. i would want the mets to give thought to having him play the OF this year too, to turn him into a super-sub like jerry hairston jr. phil humber is the only pitcher with a big fastball who couldn’t command his curveball? really? i don’t understand that at all, especially because humber’s arm melted. but yea, the first pitcher you think of when you hear a guy has trouble “owning” a curveball enough to control/command it is “phil humber?” bullshit.

as for thole, “scouts have been wrong before.” yea. do they know what the average catcher in mlb baseball hits? a .700 OPS was about average last year (350 PA). a .350 OBP would be 7th best. ditto this year. if thole can hit .300/.350/.350, which is selling his ability a little short (career minor league: .292/.381/.377), that will be better than several catchers. and while his defense is clearly a work in progress, he’s had to have made serious strides to be somewhat competent in 2 years. he’ll never be a star, but there are a ton of mediocre catchers in baseball… and he can be one of them.

and as for my baby tejada, he’ll show everyone. i would want the mets to give thought to having him play the OF this year too, to turn him into a super-sub like jerry hairston jr.

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